APPLE : OT: WWDC… Apple Kicks MS Where it Hurts

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 11:35 by ZiCott, Tokyo
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I find your remarks and comments bias. Just stick to the reporting of the news, and save your OT/Bashing of MS to your personal blog.

Every company has had their share of mis-steps, and blunders in the Tech Field. MS isn't the first, and won't be the last.

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 12:21 by Daimaou, Survivor, Tokyo - Japan
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Please do not hesitate to write your comments and explain why I am wrong or right, such O.T is here to share information and ideas

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 12:41 by Ohn0es, Unix Nerd, Nashville USA Baby!
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I like his opinions. Tech blogs aren't just about reporting tech news but also serve as a platform for discussion on topics of interest to geeks. Rock on Daimaou, your opinions are part of the reason this site is on my daily round of tech news sites.

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 12:44 by Mechagodzilla
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I do agree with Daimaou comments 100%.
My sony VAIO FZ laptop was almost unusable with Vista, until the SP1 was installed. I still have dual boot XP/Vista, and XP is much, much faster.

A also agree with the comment about prices and piate software. that goes also for movies, music, games, subscription to cable/satellite tv, etc. Keeping prices reasonable and affordable would reduce piracy. Why would you risk being cught using illegal software?

Greetings,
Mechagodzilla,
USA

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 01:10 by Chris, Student, Switzerland
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I agree with daimao as well. I have a vaio tz92ns wich is barely usable with vista.I installed ubuntu and winxp and it is so much faster. I cannot understand why windows is going to charge as full price again for just a huge service pack. If apple can do it for 29, why can't microsoft ??

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 02:27 by ZiCott, Tokyo
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Regardless of your personal feelings towards MS Mgmt, if you owned 85% market share, why would you lower the cost of your product to compete with A?

It makes no business sense. Its not an inferior product or defective.

But because its "Software", it should be cheap. If this was a "Car", do you think the Car Manufacture will give you an option to bring your old car back for an "Engine" , Service Pack to give it the extra HP the new 2010 model gives compared to the 2008 one that you have?

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 02:42 by Balls187, Engineer
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I respectfully disagree.

Vista isn't a bad operating system. It had a bad launch. A very bad launch, and after which, they learned their lesson.

I've been using Vista 64 for quite some time, and I will say, all in all, I have very little complaints.

I agree with ZiCott: If people are going to pay $200 for Win7, why not charge that much?

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 03:49 by BoeserMann
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Sad thing is so that very often you can not choose. I buy a laptop and almost always I pay for that crappy OS. I don't want it, I don't need it. It is easy to get a market share of 85% if the OS is bundled with hardware.

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 04:39 by ZiCott, Tokyo
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Please understand that Apple doesn't allow Apple Clones, or OEM to sell Mac under a different name. Some have tried, and were SUED, so it is Apples fault for not allowing companys like Sony, Fujitsu, Panasonic... to bundle Mac OS-X in their systems.

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 08:32 by BoeserMann
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I dont want anything bundled with my PC hardware.

Posted on Tue Jun 09, 09:25 by Daimaou, Survivor, Tokyo - Japan
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BoeserMann > I am with you on this one ! I wish I could by my hardware then my OS

Posted on Wed Jun 10, 12:19 by Gakubuchi, IT, Catalonia
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BoeserMann, MacOS X is also bundled with the hardware, like (most) Windows. As far as I know, you can't buy a Mac without MacOS.
But I'm completely with you: software SHOULD be an option when you buy the hardware.

Posted on Wed Jun 10, 03:21 by Moby
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Thumbs up on this article.

Posted on Wed Jun 10, 08:55 by XSportSeeker, Student, Brazil
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I'll also have to disagree on this one.
At least parcially.
I got Vista on my Dell XPS laptop, and at first it indeed sucked.
Switched back to XP, but later on I decided to give it a shot again after SP1.

And it's working flawlessly... I'll say again, flawlessly ever since. It is running better than XP, specially when it comes to graphics intensive apps/games.

I didn't test Windows 7 yet because of Vista working perfectly fine so far.
I'll test it later when it has matured, which is one thing I'll always agree... Microsoft sucks in releasing quality stuff.

But much like XP, Vista has matured. And most of the people bashing it now don't care to update and test it.

I even know lots of people who bashes Vista without even trying it once.

Oh yeah, I also despise the tons of different flavors on Windows.. they should just lower the price overall and make one version (I suppose Ultimate) to make it more attractive and simpler to use/integrate.

Posted on Wed Jun 10, 04:15 by BenG, Sunnyvale, CA
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"Apple kicks MS where it hurts" - I wouldn't be surprised if the "I'm a Mac" commercials eventually stoop low enough to portray just that: "Hi, I'm a P....ohhhhh.....

I am really tired of those ads. However, I must admit that a 29$ upgrade is pretty nice.

Posted on Wed Jun 10, 05:20 by fh
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Looking at pricing for Microsoft:
- XP Pro (2001): $299 MSRP ($149 OEM).
- Vista Ultimate (2007): $219*
- 7 Professional (exp: 2009): $149* ($99 during promotion period)
- All interim updates: free
* Upgrade price from prior version
- Total: $467 - $667, cheaper if you only need "Home" editions.

For Apple:
- OSX 10.0 (2001): $129
- OSX 10.1 (2001): $0 (if you bought 10.0)
- OSX 10.2 (2002): $129*
- OSX 10.3 (2003): $129*
- OSX 10.4 (2005): $129*
- OSX 10.5 (2007): $129*
- OSX 10.6 (exp: 2009): $29
* Free upgrade only if you had purchased a Mac within 1 month of the release of the new version.
- Total: $674